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		<title>By: Andreas</title>
		<link>http://soultrekker.net/sins-of-the-father/#comment-10</link>
		<author>Andreas</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You certainly have a point about "Klingon honor" being done to death, but I think the same could be said about "Starfleet noblesse". And if anything has been done to death I would say it's the latter. 
TNG - at least in it's early seasons - is so darn good and noble that it leaves no room for social commentary whatsoever, so the Klingons have to serve as a stand in for contemporary humans. 
(In later seasons TNG turned to evil admirals for the same purpose.)

But this episode still strikes me as one of the ultimate Trek episodes, all the above aside. You may not like the portrait of the Klingons at all, but ultimately this is all about Worf and him choosing his friends - and what he has chosen to stand for - above his blood relatives and his personal advantage.

His choice may come back later to bit him in the behind, but what Worf does is make a choice to preserve the peace, instead of starting a Klingon civil war with a single word - and that strikes me as something very "Trek" - a single person placing peace above his personal values. 
In the end it didn't work, but I have to give Worf credit for trying to do the right thing for the majority of his people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You certainly have a point about &#8220;Klingon honor&#8221; being done to death, but I think the same could be said about &#8220;Starfleet noblesse&#8221;. And if anything has been done to death I would say it&#8217;s the latter.<br />
TNG - at least in it&#8217;s early seasons - is so darn good and noble that it leaves no room for social commentary whatsoever, so the Klingons have to serve as a stand in for contemporary humans.<br />
(In later seasons TNG turned to evil admirals for the same purpose.)</p>
<p>But this episode still strikes me as one of the ultimate Trek episodes, all the above aside. You may not like the portrait of the Klingons at all, but ultimately this is all about Worf and him choosing his friends - and what he has chosen to stand for - above his blood relatives and his personal advantage.</p>
<p>His choice may come back later to bit him in the behind, but what Worf does is make a choice to preserve the peace, instead of starting a Klingon civil war with a single word - and that strikes me as something very &#8220;Trek&#8221; - a single person placing peace above his personal values.<br />
In the end it didn&#8217;t work, but I have to give Worf credit for trying to do the right thing for the majority of his people.</p>
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		<title>By: Marka</title>
		<link>http://soultrekker.net/sins-of-the-father/#comment-11</link>
		<author>Marka</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh, okay. You know I'm fed up with Klingons but you're right. The right thing to do and all that...
I'm just biased. I LOVE everything about androids and can't stand Klingons anymore. :-)

What I disagree with is the Starfleet noblesse - as you call it. This is precisely the point! LOL! My own interpretation of Star Trek says that all the other races are out there only to picture our human fallacies while we are already far beyond that. I just love it. Probably the main reason why I've never liked TOS all that much. We were sooo immature back then! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, okay. You know I&#8217;m fed up with Klingons but you&#8217;re right. The right thing to do and all that&#8230;<br />
I&#8217;m just biased. I LOVE everything about androids and can&#8217;t stand Klingons anymore. <img src='http://soultrekker.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>What I disagree with is the Starfleet noblesse - as you call it. This is precisely the point! LOL! My own interpretation of Star Trek says that all the other races are out there only to picture our human fallacies while we are already far beyond that. I just love it. Probably the main reason why I&#8217;ve never liked TOS all that much. We were sooo immature back then! <img src='http://soultrekker.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Andreas</title>
		<link>http://soultrekker.net/sins-of-the-father/#comment-12</link>
		<author>Andreas</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I guess we just have a bit too different points of view to see eye to eye on what Starfleet should, or could, be. ;)

But you do have a point about the Klingons. Some times they are a bit hard to swallow.

But personaly I have nothing against the "Klingon honor" angle. What I dislike about them from TNG onward, is how unimportant that honor sometimes becomes. The high-ups are too often just scheming politicians who are willing to do what serves them, instead of upholding their honor. Sins of the Father strikes me as a perfect example of that.
In a way the Klingons have become too much of a real world analog. If they had all just stayed true to their honor, encountering them could have been somewhat more exotic and interesting. Think of the first western explorers encountering the Samurai of Japan, or perhaps more how our cliched western minds might imagine such a meeting. ;)

But with all the political bickering among the Klingons they have turned more into "20th century people" than exotic aliens, having to stand in for several things that are wrong with today's society.
Perhaps that is why you dislike them so much - they are perhaps too much people of the 20th century to fit into your vision of Star Trek. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we just have a bit too different points of view to see eye to eye on what Starfleet should, or could, be. <img src='http://soultrekker.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But you do have a point about the Klingons. Some times they are a bit hard to swallow.</p>
<p>But personaly I have nothing against the &#8220;Klingon honor&#8221; angle. What I dislike about them from TNG onward, is how unimportant that honor sometimes becomes. The high-ups are too often just scheming politicians who are willing to do what serves them, instead of upholding their honor. Sins of the Father strikes me as a perfect example of that.<br />
In a way the Klingons have become too much of a real world analog. If they had all just stayed true to their honor, encountering them could have been somewhat more exotic and interesting. Think of the first western explorers encountering the Samurai of Japan, or perhaps more how our cliched western minds might imagine such a meeting. <img src='http://soultrekker.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But with all the political bickering among the Klingons they have turned more into &#8220;20th century people&#8221; than exotic aliens, having to stand in for several things that are wrong with today&#8217;s society.<br />
Perhaps that is why you dislike them so much - they are perhaps too much people of the 20th century to fit into your vision of Star Trek. <img src='http://soultrekker.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Marka</title>
		<link>http://soultrekker.net/sins-of-the-father/#comment-13</link>
		<author>Marka</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 07:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I guess you just hit the nail on the head. What you consider Starfleet should be experiencing - it's moved over to the Klingon Empire. Can you see that? You've got the oh-so-perfect Starfleet on one hand and struggling, a little tarnished honor of a Klingon warrior on the other. From what you're saying it looks like you'd like the reverse? Or, at least, some balanced view?

I think it just proves my point here. The humanity has grown beyond petty faults and all the other races serve to present the real world human vices. Hence, your last comment is wrong. The more 20th century psychology - the better for me. On the other side of the universe, that is.

And I do not hate Klingons. Let me state that once and for all. I'm just a little fed up with them. Maybe there just was too much of Worf throughout all of TNG and DS9. I don't know. Sometimes it's really amusing how he is continuously struggling to fit in in both worlds...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you just hit the nail on the head. What you consider Starfleet should be experiencing - it&#8217;s moved over to the Klingon Empire. Can you see that? You&#8217;ve got the oh-so-perfect Starfleet on one hand and struggling, a little tarnished honor of a Klingon warrior on the other. From what you&#8217;re saying it looks like you&#8217;d like the reverse? Or, at least, some balanced view?</p>
<p>I think it just proves my point here. The humanity has grown beyond petty faults and all the other races serve to present the real world human vices. Hence, your last comment is wrong. The more 20th century psychology - the better for me. On the other side of the universe, that is.</p>
<p>And I do not hate Klingons. Let me state that once and for all. I&#8217;m just a little fed up with them. Maybe there just was too much of Worf throughout all of TNG and DS9. I don&#8217;t know. Sometimes it&#8217;s really amusing how he is continuously struggling to fit in in both worlds&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas</title>
		<link>http://soultrekker.net/sins-of-the-father/#comment-16</link>
		<author>Andreas</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 17:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yes, I guess it does prove your point. It's just that I both like and dislike that point about Star Trek at the same time, i.e. how much humanity has outgrown its problems and conflicts.

On the one hand I like the optimism inherent to that concept, but on the other hand I think it's a bit unrealistic. If you want to call me a pessimist for the latter, fine by me. ;)

So a somewhat balanced view is exactly what I would have preferred in some TNG episodes - Starfleet a little less perfect, and the aliens a bit more exotic and a bit less analogs for todays humanity. 

And I can't wait to read your reviews of the late DS9 seasons when Worf joined the cast, and the Klingons joined the war. That should be interesting. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I guess it does prove your point. It&#8217;s just that I both like and dislike that point about Star Trek at the same time, i.e. how much humanity has outgrown its problems and conflicts.</p>
<p>On the one hand I like the optimism inherent to that concept, but on the other hand I think it&#8217;s a bit unrealistic. If you want to call me a pessimist for the latter, fine by me. <img src='http://soultrekker.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So a somewhat balanced view is exactly what I would have preferred in some TNG episodes - Starfleet a little less perfect, and the aliens a bit more exotic and a bit less analogs for todays humanity. </p>
<p>And I can&#8217;t wait to read your reviews of the late DS9 seasons when Worf joined the cast, and the Klingons joined the war. That should be interesting. <img src='http://soultrekker.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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